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Proof. It's time for Joe to submit to a cognitive exam.
By HatetheSwamp
February 15, 2024 4:14 am
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Either he's a liar who makes Trump look like Honest Abe or he's totally brain dead.

From NBC:

Biden attacked Hur for asking him when Beau died. That didn't happen, sources say.

The president raised his son’s death after being asked about his workflow at a Virginia rental home, where he said he found classified materials, two sources said.

“How in the hell dare he raise that?” Biden told reporters in an impromptu White House press conference. “Frankly, when I was asked the question, I thought to myself, it wasn’t any of their damn business.”

But Hur never asked that question, according to two people familiar with Hur’s five-hour interview with the president over two days last October. It was the president, not Hur or his team, who first introduced Beau Biden’s death, they said.

Biden raised his son’s death after being asked about his workflow at a Virginia rental home from 2016 to 2018, the sources said, when a ghost writer was helping him write a memoir about losing Beau to brain cancer in 2015. Investigators had a 2017 recording showing that Biden had told the ghost writer he had found “classified stuff” in that home, the report says.

Biden raised his son’s death after being asked about his workflow at a Virginia rental home from 2016 to 2018, the sources said, when a ghost writer was helping him write a memoir about losing Beau to brain cancer in 2015. Investigators had a 2017 recording showing that Biden had told the ghost writer he had found “classified stuff” in that home, the report says.

Exactly what Biden said about his son’s death and other issues may ultimately become public. The two-day interview was audio-recorded and transcribed, and congressional committees are expected to push for its release.

Biden’s struggle to recall the period when he worked with the ghost writer were among several exchanges during the two-day interview where he appeared to forget important facts, according to the report. Hur's report also states that Biden’s memory appeared to be significantly limited in the 30 hours of recorded interviews he conducted with the ghost writer in 2017.

People who know Hur say he did not anticipate how his descriptions of the president’s memory would resonate across the political landscape. They say he believed that when his report was released, he would likely come under immediate attack from Republicans who would accuse him of going soft on Biden.

Instead, one line in Hur's 345-page report will likely live on in American presidential and political history: the special counsel's assessment that Biden would come across to jurors as a “sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”


If Joe's not brain dead or lying, he should instruct the DOJ to release the audio.

Hatethe, as po'd say, EFFINSwamp!


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2024 8:51 am
    The question must have been asked by Hur or his colleagues regardless who mentioned his late son first. These were the headlines: Joe Biden forgot when his son Beau died, special counsel report says.

    Was it a scenario where Joe Biden said something like “my son died 10 years ago” without being specific? Maybe Hur pressed Biden on a more exact date. Whatever the questions and conversation were, Hur thought it noteworthy.

    Have you never been in a conversation where a topic is discussed and then later not remember who brought it up? I know that I have. I suspect that Robert Hur released this information to cover his ass.
    businessinsider.com


  2. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2024 9:43 am

    The question must have been asked by Hur or his colleagues regardless who mentioned his late son first.

    Not what I'm hearing. But, no problem. The DOJ can, simply, release the audio. Right?

    Was it a scenario where Joe Biden said something like “my son died 10 years ago” without being specific?

    Y'know. Joe's being absolutely, as po'd say, EFFINhammered on this. He needs to instruct the DOJ to release the recordings of his interview... and all will be well.

    Simple as pie!


  3. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2024 9:49 am
    That's assuming it was all recorded on audiotape. Maybe it was just transcribed like yesterday's congressional committee interview of Tony Bobulinski.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2024 10:01 am

    Yikes, bubba! You need to check news beyond your Holy Trinity. The interview was recorded and there's a transcript.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2024 10:27 am
    It's up to Robert Hur whether or not he releases the audiotapes. Special counsels have autonomy and operate without direct DOJ supervision.

    Since Hur didn't bring charges against Biden, he probably won't. It's similar to a grand jury indictment in which the grand jury decides prosecution is unwarranted. Those are never made public to be used to impugn the subject of the indictment.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2024 10:29 am

    Do you think that Hur would refuse the request of the President?


  7. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2024 10:43 am
    Hur SHOULD refuse the request of the President. Special counsels are supposed to be independent. Otherwise Biden might have squashed the investigation before it began.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2024 10:50 am

    I disagree.

    Dems are politicizing Hur's report because of supposed gratituitous comments about Joe's mental competency. GOPs because the Doddering Old Fool should be charged with his crimes. (See video)

    Hur can silence the unnecessary brouhaha by letting truth be known.

    View Video


  9. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2024 11:23 am
    What are you disagreeing with? The idea that special counsel shouldn't take orders from the President or the DOJ? That is codified in the DOJ manuals.

    Special counsels are supposed to investigate and determine if a prosecution is warranted. If it is warranted, meaning it is probable a crime was committed, then a trial ensues. If it's not warranted, the special counsel is not supposed to editorialize by critiquing of the subject of the investigation.

    As I remarked above, it's like a grand jury. It's only when a grand jury determines that criminal charges should be brought that public hears about the case. If the there won't be a trial the district attorney doesn't announce that so-and-so won't be prosecuted but gratuitously list so-and-so's personal flaws and shortcomings.

    Since Hur did include his gratuitous comments, the solution isn't for the investigation/interview transcripts or recordings to be released to see what other gratuitous comments can be extracted.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2024 11:30 am

    Since Hur did include his gratuitous comments, the solution isn't for the investigation/interview transcripts or recordings to be released to see what other gratuitous comments can be extracted.

    Hur made no gratituitous comments as far as I can tell but I'll only know if the recording is released.

    And, I get it. You clerked for Chief Justice John Jay, I didn't. But, my understanding is that the Special Counsel's report is now the property of the people of the United States,...since the Doddering Old Fool won't be charged?


  11. by Curt_Anderson on February 15, 2024 11:50 am
    HtS,
    As far as I know, neither of us have law degrees. I defer to those who do.


    Two points are worth noting. First, when a special counsel submits a report it is, by regulation, confidential. Second, a special counsel must explain his or her prosecutive decisions to the attorney general in the report. Once submitted, the decision to release the report to the public belongs wholly to the attorney general. The regulations are clear: “The Attorney General may determine that public release of these reports would be in the public interest.”

    Prosecutors operating in normal, non-special counsel circumstances routinely decline some of the cases they open. When they do—and I was a federal prosecutor for many years—they do not write reports about their investigations, comment publicly on the strength of the evidence, or comment on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their witnesses or of the defendant.

    But they certainly make those sorts of assessments and observations, internally and privately, during their investigations. Some of those assessments are sensitive (witness x is not credible, or witness y is an inveterate liar) and should not be shared publicly. But those sorts of assessments help prosecutors decide which cases are meritorious and should be charged, and which are not, and should be declined.

    A special counsel's report should give no advantage or disadvantage to any person...especially when declining to prosecute.

    ...A special counsel report should avoid providing that sort of ammunition to either side (and I believe Hur could have threaded that needle here) while still adequately explaining a declination decision to the attorney general. --Chuck Rosenberg, a former career federal prosecutor, U.S. attorney, and senior FBI official.

    lawfaremedia.org


  12. by HatetheSwamp on February 15, 2024 12:17 pm

    And, you say that you were not a confidante of John Jay. I refuse to believe that. Don't be so modest.


  13. by oldedude on February 16, 2024 6:25 am
    curt- HtS,
    As far as I know, neither of us have law degrees.


    Prosecutors operating in normal, non-special counsel circumstances routinely decline some of the cases they open. When they do—and I was a federal prosecutor for many years—they do not write reports about their investigations, comment publicly on the strength of the evidence, or comment on the relative strengths and weaknesses of their witnesses or of the defendant.

    So which is it? I say this because your lack of knowledge regarding both the legal system and laws (especially your inability to read law), is apparent.

    You don't cite this as anyone else's words, so I'm "assuming" they're yours. And they're conflicting to say the least.

    Also, generally speaking, a special council usually tells the Director a reason for not bringing charges. Granted, many times this is kept between them, and this was leaked. So this is nothing to whine about, it's done. Blame your own little germans that don't want pedojoe in the whitehouse anymore.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on February 16, 2024 6:41 am

    My guess is that Curt received his JD from HuffPo Law. po, too.


  15. by Curt_Anderson on February 16, 2024 10:31 am
    OD,
    I did cite the source, Chuck Rosenberg, and linked to the site. I also placed what he said in a blockquote (indented both sides).



  16. by oldedude on February 16, 2024 12:10 pm
    The only thing you seemed to cite was the italicized portion, otherwise why would you just italicize that one sentence? There were no quotes, not markings to say anything different.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on February 16, 2024 12:17 pm
    Od,
    I attributed the entire blockquoted section to Chuck Rosenberg. I italicized a headline I added.

    A block quote is a long quote that is formatted as a separate block of text. It is placed on a new line and indented to distinguish it from the writer's own words. Block quotes are not surrounded by quotation marks.


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